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  • freedom74
  • A Redfern commuter's battle for freedom against Sydney's out of control transit officers, these dogs need to be put on a leash if people are to have confidence using our trains.

    I always do the right thing--this could happen to anyone who they consider to be uncooperative. Be Warned.

    When did it happen? date 14/11/2005 time 12:40 am Where did it happen? where at a train station suburb/town Who were they? > police, CityRail transit officers (dark grey uniforms + yellow badges)

    I was stopped, questioned and taken in by police in handcuffs. I suffered a detention of six hours and had done nothing wrong.

    Ignored me or did not listen, over-reaction or unnecessary, repeated attention , rude, homophobic (treated me worse because I am gay/ lesbian), treated me worse because of mental illness or disability.

    What happened? I went into Redfern station through the opened Gibbons St gate [barriers were turned off there] with my pension ticket and my pension card at 1130 to get a train. Went onto the platform I usually use. Found before boarding the train I lost my ticket.

    So I didn't get my train and came up to try to get another ticket. The entrance I used had been subsequently closed. I approached the main entrance, with transit officers.

    Told them what happened. They said who are you, you're going to get a fine [under the Rail Safety Regulation]. I didn't want to tell them anythnign, they didn't beleive my story. They would not let me go and called the police. The police handcuffed me and transported me to the station and held me for 3 hours to establish who I am, charged me. I WAS STRIP SEARCHED AND CONFINED TO A DOCK LESS THAN 4 SQ.M IN SIZE. I got bail and was allowed to leave at 6am. They wouldn't let me get properly dressed etc just tossed me out the door. They searched my stuff. I am a transsexual. I had a number of condoms and some clothes and cosmetics. The officer said when going through my stuff "We know what you are".

    They said on the charge sheet my occupation is PR05TITUTE. I gave them no confirmation or indication that was the case, for fear of being targetted by law enforcement types. My destination was somewhere in the eastern suburbs. I was kept for 6 hours, strip searched everything.

    They wouldn't believe my story. The transit officers could have accepted my story and let me go. Like as a pension ticket person its th same price no matter how much or how far you go, so they should have let me get another ticket. I've been in trouble with them but over 5 years ago, it was one thing. Why I think I didn't get the benefit of doubt because I'm a transsexual. I feel the police treated me differently after searching my stuff, like they said my occupation is pr05titution on the charge documents. What would you prefer? I just wanted to be able to purchase a replacement of my lost ticket and for them to let me go. I didnt want to co-operate because from experience of me or other people legal aid don't go up in court for you just for "fare evasion" type stuff so I would have been left on my own.

    The way society works I dont feel I would have a fair chance at court. Now I don't feel any fair chance at all--my occupation is listed as Pr05titute!! I don\'t want this to happen to other people, I do not know how to complain officially to the people in charge, The people in charge might not listen or believe me, The people I am complaining about might treat me badly if they knew I complained .

    I might be able to get a lawyer. Them c7nts at legal aid wouldn't help me but.
  • crowy
  • i kinda think this belongs in the lifestyle forum and even then i think you could find somewhere more helpfull to vent than ITM. But your story is a sad one non the less. Did you remember the names of the transit ****'s and police. Would be a good thing.
  • rayza_kool
  • yeah i agree. in order to make a formal complaint, it would be helpful to have their names and badge numbers. since u probably dont have either, it might be hard for you to prove what happened (especially with the transit officers). its fucked what happened to you, i dont agree with ur lifestyle but i believe human beings need to be treated equally, regardless of lifestyle. also, if you make a formal complaint, this will have no bearing on ur case. they also have to take it seriously so if it has been found to be mistreatment to you, they must take to necessary steps to displine the people involved. gud luck!
  • mxmai
  • tell someone who cares?
  • jcbeaumont
  • Sounds like a shitty story, although my brain hurts after reading it.

    Might I suggest that a dance music form isn't the best place for you to find justice?

    Perhaps the state ombudsman could be of assistance: http://www.ombo.nsw.gov.au/index.html
  • twistedbydesign
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by mxmai

    tell someone who cares?

    so have you been using that line since primary school or did you just learn it?
  • mxmai
  • been using it for a few years now, but funnily enough there's still enough people telling crappy stories for me to still throw it around once in a while.
  • twistedbydesign
  • seems odd..if you didn't care, as such a statement would indicate, you would not reply.
    however the fact that you said anything at all would indicate that you did care and felt it necessary to point out to the storyteller just how little you want them to think you care when you really have nothing better to do
  • MidgetFidget
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by rayza_kool

    yeah i agree. in order to make a formal complaint, it would be helpful to have their names and badge numbers. since u probably dont have either, it might be hard for you to prove what happened (especially with the transit officers). its fucked what happened to you, i dont agree with ur lifestyle but i believe human beings need to be treated equally, regardless of lifestyle. also, if you make a formal complaint, this will have no bearing on ur case. they also have to take it seriously so if it has been found to be mistreatment to you, they must take to necessary steps to displine the people involved. gud luck!

    I disagree with your lifestyle, end it now.

    p.
  • krafty_x
  • I'd say it's fair enough wanting to publicise unfair treatment as such.

    Sounds pretty rough.

    You need legal representation for sure.

    k_x oxo
  • nettsu
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by freedom74

    Why I think I didn't get the benefit of doubt because I'm a transsexual.

    this is what grates with me

    why should you be treated any different?
  • twistedbydesign
  • perhaps the insinutation was anyone else would have been given the benefit of the doubt....though based on my own transit officer experiences i wouldnt think so
  • mxmai
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by twistedbydesign

    seems odd..if you didn't care, as such a statement would indicate, you would not reply.
    however the fact that you said anything at all would indicate that you did care and felt it necessary to point out to the storyteller just how little you want them to think you care when you really have nothing better to do

    will a simple "fuck off, your story doesn't interest me" suffice next time?
  • twistedbydesign
  • perhaps leaving the individual alone would be more appropriate than being a cock about something that supposedly doesnt interest you
  • Bele
  • That's is a terrible story, if you can you should really try making a formal complaint, even though you think it may not get you anywhere. They had no reason to treat you in such a disgusting and degrading manner!! Thanks for sharing your story with us as a warning as to how farked up the transit officers and police can be.
  • Morphee
  • Who gives a fuck....

    Stupid thread!
  • Blotto
  • i thought this thread was about sum transit officer who was a hero or something. oh well... btw, i've had simular things happen, its WAY to much effort fighting stuff, i mean ive got a court case against crown casino goin atm, im lookin at like at LEAST another 6 months before i even hear any thing. will get money from it ect, but with lawyer bills ect, and the hassel.

    End Rant
  • twistedbydesign
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morphee

    Who gives a fuck....

    Stupid thread!

    stupid post
    lacked any helpful information or justification
    would not read again
    -9/10
  • Madam Lasher
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morphee

    Who gives a fuck....

    Stupid thread!

    die already.


    Freedom74 I really think you should esculate this for sure...get some legal aid advice, this shit disgusts me...fuckn nail these ****s if you have the chance, no fuckers should be allowed to treat anyone this way regardless of your gender or disability.
  • Morphee
  • I think its AWESOME creating a new account to whinge about not having a ticket and being on a station platform (which is illegal) THEN getting caught and trated like a criminal BECAUSE YOU ARE.

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  • freedom74
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by nettsu

    this is what grates with me

    why should you be treated any different?

    I'm sure that if I had fine clothes, was picked up eg at St Leonards Station at 8am, and lived at Lindfield I would have been treated differently.

    I know from the word of other people that some get let go, it depends on what the officers think of you and perhaps your social class or lifestyle as well.

    I have blogged on this story extensively on the net, I want the word out. It's already been tracked by google.

    AVAILABLE FOR MEDIA COMMENT, PLEASE USE PRIVATE MESSAGE OPTION TO ENQUIRE.
  • Sabbathen
  • Morphee doesn't believe you, please PM a pic of your Lady Cock to him as proof.
  • Morphee
  • so now you want to sell your story to the media....

    hahahaha if I knew mike wouldnt ban me, I'd tell you to fuck off and go away. so I wont tell you to fuck off and go away. In stead of telling you to fuck off and go away, I'll say that, whatever you are, your not wanted. Instead of telling you to fuck off, and go away.
  • datakid
  • this might seem like a silly question, but why didn;t you guve them ID straight up, skip the jail experience, and appeal the fine later?

    i haven't been thrown in jail by transit cops, and maybe that's because i'm of very bland class/gender/ethnicity... or mybe it's because i deal with these situations rationally.
  • Punk in Drublic
  • ^ ^

    So let me get this straight.....

    You went to Redfern Station, walked through the unlocked gate and then discovered that you had lost your ticket. You decided that you shouldn't get on the train. Then you went up to the Cityrail stormtroopers to tell them your story and they said they were going to fine you.

    BAD LUCK.

    This happens to people of all backgrounds every day at Redfern and other stations around the network. There is a big goup of Transit Officers every single day at Redfern Station and their main purpose (as far as I can gather) is to just stand there and hand out fines to any unfortunates souls who have lost or "forgot" to buy a ticket. They don't discriminate, they don't listen to whatever story you have to tell, they just hand out fines. Once they have handed out the fine, it's then out of their hands and they don't have to deal with it anymore, so it's not like they have any compassion or give a shit. That's just the way it is FOR EVERYONE.


    As far as i can tell, you refused to give them your details or provide ID. Subsequently, they rang the police, as is the normal policy when people refuse to give details. They are also within their rights to detain you while police are called, and until police arrive.

    BAD LUCK.

    Then you got taken to the police station and refused to give them details. It seems to me like you could have saved yourself a whole lot of trouble if you were just honest and told them who you were. Instead, you spent 3 hours dodging questions (i assume) and making trouble. You have nobody to blame but yourself.


    Now, I don't know you, i don't know what you do and I don't know what you look like, but if seems to me like you may indeed be a prostitute.

    EVIDENCE:

    * Many condoms
    * Dressed like a prostitute
    * You refused to confirm or deny if you were a prostitute "for fear of being targeted by law enforcement types". If you weren't, then I think you would want to deny it pretty strongly! What would you have to fear if you weren't a prostitute?
    * Police seem to be aware of you
    * Police put down your occupation as prostitute



    This whole story seems to be your own fault, and you have nobody else to blame. You were un-cooperative from the very start and the Transit Officers/Police were only doing their job.


    P.S. Sucky Sucky! $5
  • CheapThrills
  • ^ RESPEcT
  • freedom74
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by Punk in Drublic

    ^ ^

    So let me get this straight.....

    You went to Redfern Station, walked through the unlocked gate and then discovered that you had lost your ticket. You decided that you shouldn't get on the train. Then you went up to the Cityrail stormtroopers to tell them your story and they said they were going to fine you.

    BAD LUCK.

    This happens to people of all backgrounds every day at Redfern and other stations around the network. There is a big goup of Transit Officers every single day at Redfern Station and their main purpose (as far as I can gather) is to just stand there and hand out fines to any unfortunates souls who have lost or "forgot" to buy a ticket. They don't discriminate, they don't listen to whatever story you have to tell, they just hand out fines. Once they have handed out the fine, it's then out of their hands and they don't have to deal with it anymore, so it's not like they have any compassion or give a shit. That's just the way it is FOR EVERYONE.


    As far as i can tell, you refused to give them your details or provide ID. Subsequently, they rang the police, as is the normal policy when people refuse to give details. They are also within their rights to detain you while police are called, and until police arrive.

    BAD LUCK.

    Then you got taken to the police station and refused to give them details. It seems to me like you could have saved yourself a whole lot of trouble if you were just honest and told them who you were. Instead, you spent 3 hours dodging questions (i assume) and making trouble. You have nobody to blame but yourself.


    Now, I don't know you, i don't know what you do and I don't know what you look like, but if seems to me like you may indeed be a prostitute.

    EVIDENCE:

    * Many condoms
    * Dressed like a prostitute
    * You refused to confirm or deny if you were a prostitute "for fear of being targeted by law enforcement types". If you weren't, then I think you would want to deny it pretty strongly! What would you have to fear if you weren't a prostitute?
    * Police seem to be aware of you
    * Police put down your occupation as prostitute



    This whole story seems to be your own fault, and you have nobody else to blame. You were un-cooperative from the very start and the Transit Officers/Police were only doing their job.


    P.S. Sucky Sucky! $5



    I was co-operative from the start, then it got all heavy.
    I could have been let go at any stage by the TOs or POLICE.
    In proportion to the gravity of the alleged original offense, and my alleged conduct thereafter, the treatment I received was excessive.
    The matter is going to court, but I consider I have already been punished enough or perhaps excessively.
    My position is that I do not consider, after an examination of my conscience, to have done anything wrong.
    The alleged offense/s are not matters of "moral turpitude"
    In respect of condoms, how much is "some", "several" or "many"--and how many young people will be carrying condoms on a night out in anticipation of, well .../ Of course if you picked them up from a store or other place after leaving home you might then have more on hand than you would need.
    What is "dressed like a prostitute" and keep in mind how many young women would if going out at night wear sexy clothing and makeup and have some cosmetics in their bag.
    The listing of occupation in such manner has no probative value and is highly prejudicial in court. Only a defendant should have to state their occupation.
    The fact that Kings X was my intended destination and that I had been seen leaving the "blue" train line platform [east. subs line] does not of itself give rise to any inference as to my assumed or actual occupation or intended activities, nor would the visibility of a number of my contemporaries in the William Street precinct.

    I have spent times wandering around after midnight in a certain bayside suburb of Melbourne, no comment as to what I was doing. I also visit friends in the William Street precinct and also in a club near Taylor Square. I have friends who live in Kings X.

    "Sucky Sucky" are you trying to be offensive? My well-placed sources inform me that its not $5 its $50.
    Last edited by freedom74 : 08-Dec-05 at 06:41am.
  • freedom74
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morphee

    so now you want to sell your story to the media....

    hahahaha if I knew mike wouldnt ban me, I'd tell you to fuck off and go away. so I wont tell you to fuck off and go away. In stead of telling you to fuck off and go away, I'll say that, whatever you are, your not wanted. Instead of telling you to fuck off, and go away.

    Its a free country if I want to comment to the media and if the media bothers with it, then its my right to do so.

    It's time that these grey shirts actually get put under some serious scrutiny, they have way too much power--its all about revenue hardly see them wandering through the train if I got some pervert coming onto me, or people drinking alcohol.
  • Tron
  • Punk in Drublic I couldn't agree with you more

    If a person is dressed like a fireman, drives a firetruck, and walks around with a gas mask and fire extinguisher they are going to be asked to put out fires even if they are just a pool cleaner wearing the uniform. If you're not a prostitute, don't dress like one. Redfern police are less tolerating than others, but that's probably due to large amount of shit they have to put up with. I have been walking from Redfern station to camperdown every weekday for over five years now and I only a portion of the crap they have to deal with.

    @ Morphee
  • twistedbydesign
  • i work in a factory
    what should i dress like?
  • Tron
  • a factory, der
  • PertiVanHelden
  • I'm guessing you're not old, so what are you doing with a pension card and ticket anyway?

    I smell fish....
  • MadOogles
  • Maybe you should have offered them a blow job?
  • Tron
  • ^no time for sloppy seconds, with two hands, wristies are the word. I believe it's called "going skiing".
  • PertiVanHelden
  • ^^^
  • Bele
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morphee

    so now you want to sell your story to the media....

    hahahaha if I knew mike wouldnt ban me, I'd tell you to fuck off and go away. so I wont tell you to fuck off and go away. In stead of telling you to fuck off and go away, I'll say that, whatever you are, your not wanted. Instead of telling you to fuck off, and go away.


    How about a little respect here people?? What the hell happened to "be excellent to each other"??

    If you don't like the thread, don't read it, don't post and don't argue with people's lifestyle choices, he's not hurting anyone so leave him alone. Also if you read the post properly he's just trying to warn people about the idiot transit officers.
    Plus, have you seen some of the outfits that chicks are getting around in these days? Check out the photo's from Tommy Lee djing at Home on monday night!

    Everybody has the right to be treated fairly, weather they are a prostitute or not.
  • twistedbydesign
  • that was the point i was going for.
    though there are a few about the place who seem to be amused by informing others of how little interest they have in the topic at hand.
    these people are uber
  • toilet trained
  • christ whats wrong with all you people.

    this person felt riled up about a shitty thing that happend to them, and thought that posting it on an internet forum would make them feel better? and as a plus possibly get some advice.

    well, okay, maybe not the best idea from the responses, but thats what the ferkin forums are for. people post crap all the time. this in the grand scheme of things is actually quite an interesting story.

    give a guy/girl a break. sounds like they need one
  • krafty_x
  • I think we're forgetting a little respekt for the world's oldest profession here people.

    k_x oxo
  • MadOogles
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bele

    How about a little respect here people?? What the hell happened to "be excellent to each other"??



    It went wherever that stupid little blonde dick went too.

    Be nasty and mean to everyone rose to the heights of success with Keanu and ended up on this forum
  • Bele
  • Keanu never went anywhere dude.
  • MadOogles
  • Except into your vocabulary, "dude"
  • mxmai
  • heheheh
  • freedom74
  • Did you know in a strip search they make you squat and its purpose is if they think you have an illict substance concealed in the anal and/or vaginal cavity?? As to what card I use, I have what I'm legally entitled to and nothing more or less. I said I was doing nothing wrong and at all other times doing the right thing. I know there's rorts around, but if you've got a card like that its not worth rorting them, its easier just to pay the ticket.

    The matter is listed in court next week. It will proceed to a defended hearing, I propose to enter a plea of not guilty--this is to enable more scrutiny of them and send a strong message to my adversaries that I'm not going to cop this one lying down. Legal Aid was denied, so it looks like turning into a big long circus at considerable time and expense to my adversaries. legal aids practically fn useless unless you're up for big-time stuff, this is really quite a trivial matter.
  • MadOogles
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by freedom74

    I'm not going to cop this one lying down .

    Sorry, but after reading everything in the thread, and then reading that, I seriously roofled

  • krafty_x
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by freedom74

    Did you know in a strip search they make you squat and its purpose is if they think you have an illict substance concealed in the anal and/or vaginal cavity?? As to what card I use, I have what I'm legally entitled to and nothing more or less. I said I was doing nothing wrong and at all other times doing the right thing. I know there's rorts around, but if you've got a card like that its not worth rorting them, its easier just to pay the ticket.

    The matter is listed in court next week. It will proceed to a defended hearing, I propose to enter a plea of not guilty--this is to enable more scrutiny of them and send a strong message to my adversaries that I'm not going to cop this one lying down. Legal Aid was denied, so it looks like turning into a big long circus at considerable time and expense to my adversaries. legal aids practically fn useless unless you're up for big-time stuff, this is really quite a trivial matter.

    Might suggest you dress err... appropriately for court (ie business like and well groomed).

    Good luck.

    k_x oxo
  • Tron
  • cowabunga

  • emskina
  • It sounds like you have been treated harshly considering the circumstances. I do think it would be wise for you however to research the rights a transit officer has to detain you if you refuse to give your name, particularly if you intend to plead not guilty.

    I must say that although I don't necessarily agree that transit officers should have such far reaching powers, I do not think you are alone in the fact that their initial reaction was to simply fine you. This seems to be standard practice, so I'm really not sure you have a leg to stand on when it comes to the charge, as you refused to give your name.
  • smilla
  • This is Cinditude isnt it? or am I one day behind everyone else in this realisation
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