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  • VanBuurenisGod
  • I have noticed an increasing trend of newpapers (i.e. the Herald Sun) quoting users on ITM regarding the outcomes and events of certain gigs.

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...7-2862,00.html

    We also had them quoting users of itm about shopping up big on bindeez.

    Does anyone find it disconcerting that this occurs?

    Or is it far too amusing to take seriosuly, because unfortunately, it makes opinions grow in society regarding these types of events.

    discuss
  • Jimmy255
  • LOL!!!

    Quote:

    Ralph Wiggum reported slabs of Smirnoff spirit-based drinks were selling for $240, and cans of spirits for $10.

    Reliable source?

  • Brendonism
  • We had it coming.
  • maaaa
  • Its Just Like The Underground Raves Off Neighbours! Lol!
  • VanBuurenisGod
  • but can a journalist be taken seriously when they quote ralph wiggum?
  • skattakid
  • I want to know if they contacted Ralph through the forums or they have just quoted him directly off forum posts?

    Quote:

    Strobe lights and lasers also caused dancers to suffer epileptic fits.

    Is this from an official Press release from police or other governing agency or the result of a google search on the term 'epilepsy'?

    Someone get rentboyesq right now to write us a letter!!!!
  • legal-affairs
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by VanBuurenisGod

    but can a journalist be taken seriously when they quote ralph wiggum?

    For that, you need this page:

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...1-2862,00.html

    Incredibly shoddy reporting. The assertion that "Strobe lights and lasers also caused dancers to suffer epileptic fits" is not supported by the quote and is one you would want to be very careful making, I would have thought.
  • skattakid
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brendonism

    We had it coming.

    we can also use our new power to manipulate the news!
  • djbobbit
  • welcome to web 2.0

    blogs and forums have increasing relevance because when it comes to specific niches and sub-cultures they're closer to the source and more accurately reflect the views of that sub-culture than some journo from News Ltd. It's the responsibility of the reporting agency to accurately credit the source as such though.

    also, forums and blogs don't have the same restrictions as mainstream news sources. I think Murdoch referred to it as "guerilla journalism". Needs some refinement but it's the way of the future.
  • sillyclimber
  • hahaha, I cant believe a news article quoted Ralph Wiggum from the forums. Does it seem a little wrong that a pseudonym on a forum can be used as a source?

    I can just see journalists creating ITM accounts and making up bollox to support their stories.
  • Brendonism
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by skattakid

    we can also use our new power to manipulate the news!

    It's just like that Bond movie, but without the stealth boat.
  • VanBuurenisGod
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by sillyclimber

    hahaha, I cant believe a news article quoted Ralph Wiggum from the forums. Does it seem a little wrong that a pseudonym on a forum can be used as a source?

    I can just see journalists creating ITM accounts and making up bollox to support their stories.

    *cant be bothered researching sensationalist article*

    => create itm account "rAvE_Kid_on_G_4lyf" and quote in article
  • klassik

  • 'YOUR THE VOICE TRY AND UNDERSTAND IT"
  • nettsu
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by djbobbit

    welcome to web 2.0

    blogs and forums have increasing relevance because when it comes to specific niches and sub-cultures they're closer to the source and more accurately reflect the views of that sub-culture than some journo from News Ltd. It's the responsibility of the reporting agency to accurately credit the source as such though.

    also, forums and blogs don't have the same restrictions as mainstream news sources. I think Murdoch referred to it as "guerilla journalism". Needs some refinement but it's the way of the future.

    its called user generated content
    and a lot of the new media companies see it as a way of getting cheap (mostly free) content
    ITM in a way exists on user generated content - it would be nothing without the articles, reviews, galleries, newspapers are trying to tap on this content in a way.
  • TeZzY
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by legal-affairs

    For that, you need this page:

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...1-2862,00.html

    Incredibly shoddy reporting. The assertion that "Strobe lights and lasers also caused dancers to suffer epileptic fits" is not supported by the quote and is one you would want to be very careful making, I would have thought.

    That totally blows my mind!
  • AfroLeft
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by sillyclimber

    hahaha, I cant believe a news article quoted Ralph Wiggum from the forums. Does it seem a little wrong that a pseudonym on a forum can be used as a source?

    The other funny thing is that all the other aliases had their real names printed, whereas Ralph didn't. Maybe they thought it was a real name so didn't need print his real name.
  • Oblivia
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brendonism

    It's just like that Bond movie, but without the stealth boat.

    Or boobs
  • BMoney
  • purplemonkeydishwasher

    Sensationalism at it's best - the 'media' can ggf.
  • skattakid
  • Ok, even if someone posts their opinions on a public forum, does that give the media right to print it without the original authors knowledge?

    (Directed at Part 8 of the code of ethics)


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Journalists association

    AJA CODE OF ETHICS
    Respect for truth and the public's right to information are fundamental principles of journalism. Journalists describe society to itself. They convey information, ideas and opinions, a privileged role. They search, disclose, record, question, entertain, suggest and remember. They inform citizens and animate democracy. They give a practical form to freedom of expression. Many journalists work in private enterprise, but all have these public responsibilities. They scrutinise power, but also exercise it, and should be accountable. Accountability engenders trust. Without trust, journalists do not fulfil their public responsibilities. MEAA members engaged in journalism commit themselves to

    • Honesty
    • Fairness
    • Independence
    • Respect for the rights of others
      1. Report and interpret honestly, striving for accuracy, fairness and disclosure of all essential facts. Do not suppress relevant available facts, or give distorting emphasis. Do your utmost to give a fair opportunity for reply.
      2. Do not place unnecessary emphasis on personal characteristics, including race, ethnicity, nationality, gender, age, sexual orientation, family relationships, religious belief, or physical or intellectual disability.
      3. Aim to attribute information to its source. Where a source seeks anonymity, do not agree without first considering the source’s motives and any alternative attributable source. Where confidences are accepted, respect them in all circumstances.
      4. Do not allow personal interest, or any belief, commitment, payment, gift or benefit, to undermine your accuracy, fairness or independence.
      5. Disclose conflicts of interest that affect, or could be seen to affect, the accuracy, fairness or independence of your journalism. Do not improperly use a journalistic position for personal gain.
      6. Do not allow advertising or other commercial considerations to undermine accuracy, fairness or independence.
      7. Do your utmost to ensure disclosure of any direct or indirect payment made for interviews, pictures, information or stories.
      8. Use fair, responsible and honest means to obtain material. Identify yourself and your employer before obtaining any interview for publication or broadcast. Never exploit a person’s vulnerability or ignorance of media practice.
      9. Present pictures and sound which are true and accurate. Any manipulation likely to mislead should be disclosed.
      10. Do not plagiarise.
      11. Respect private grief and personal privacy. Journalists have the right to resist compulsion to intrude.
      12. Do your utmost to achieve fair correction of errors.
    Guidance Clause
    Basic values often need interpretation and sometimes come into conflict. Ethical journalism requires conscientious decision-making in context. Only substantial advancement of the public interest or risk of substantial harm to people allows any standard to be overridden.







  • BMoney
  • ^^ Very good point and post.
  • nettsu
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by skattakid

    Ok, even if someone posts their opinions on a public forum, does that give the media right to print it without the original authors knowledge?

    because a) its in the public domain and b) it meets the referencing criteria
    you may find that there will be something in the terms of use for ITM
  • Mickstah
  • Did someone say spam the comments section?

    I thought so...
  • skattakid
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by nettsu

    because a) its in the public domain and b) it meets the referencing criteria
    you may find that there will be something in the terms of use for ITM


    ahhh, yeah just wanted to clear that up, I would hate for them to quote some of the stupid things i say online (and there is many of them, well in the past there was), Like: Left-leaning, politically correct bigoted mainstream journalists are all wankers who deserve to go to gaol and be stripped searched by pauline hanson as revenge.
  • Marshy
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by VanBuurenisGod

    but can a journalist be taken seriously when they quote ralph wiggum?

    They should quote him saying:
    FUCKING TECHNOOOO!!!
  • Marshy
  • Clever fuckers
  • Marshy
  • Does ITM have an official position on this?
  • Brendonism
  • To be fair, unimaginative thread creators have been quoting the media for a long time, see: Current Affairs and Politics
  • Marshy
  • The article author in question four years ago...

    http://www.education.netpresence.biz...intsectionid=2

    Quote:

    Annalise Walliker

    Annalise is 18 years old and just completed first year journalism at RMIT University. She is planning to defer her third year of University to take her Gap year.

    “I have a passion for travel and meeting people and travelling is a pretty fun way to do it. I want to expand my first hand knowledge base as much as possible. I can't decide between travelling around Australia or heading off to England and working there for a year. I'm more in favour of seeing my own country before I head off elsewhere and my bank account agrees!

    “I did a VET certificate, Music Industry Skills Certificate II and III majoring in Music Technology when I was at school. This meant that I got to do lots of fun things like be the head sound engineer for many school events ands functions, and even mix and master a CD for a local blues club.

    “Working in England would mean I would be leading towards this type of technical work. A Uni travel agent has offers for people to work behind the scenes at film festivals and fashion parades and other big events doing this type of work overseas. I have done this type of work before though high school and really excites me – plus it would help my job prospects back in Australia!

    “I've talked a lot to my friends and tried to recruit them a bit, talked to my dad for ideas and tips on where to go and who to talk to as well. I've started saving and looked at travel agents for travel deals and comparisons in ticket prices.”

    Typical graduate dumb arse.
  • Pedo
  • I just feel privileged that I know a bunch of people that got quoted in the media! That practically makes me famous!

    I actually burst out into laughter reading that article... what a joke...
  • magictorch
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by legal-affairs

    The assertion that "Strobe lights and lasers also caused dancers to suffer epileptic fits" is not supported by the quote and is one you would want to be very careful making, I would have thought.

    Agreed.

    I've had an epileptic seizure in a club before and it was not caused by lasers or strobe lighting. I doubt that any drugs I had taken that day had anything to do with it. The most probable causes were: the fact that I am epileptic; that I was experiencing alcohol withdrawal from the night before; and that I hadn't had enough sleep in the past 24 hours. Still, despite good care from the onsite medic, I was treated by many bystanders as though I was an idiot who'd overdosed on something, and the club security said they wanted to throw me out on the street as soon as I regained consciousness.

    Even amongst photosensitive epileptics (ie. those who are more likely to have seizures triggered by visual images), few are affected by strobe lighting, particularly at the (low) frequency you get in nightclubs. Higher frequencies of strobing, such strip lighting flickering at an almost imperceptible rate, or even certain types of televisions or monitors, are a far greater danger to photosensitive epileptics. I've never heard of lasers triggering seizures - it's possible, but certainly not commonplace.

    If some hack of a journalist said someone had a seizure because of drugs or because of lasers or strobe lighting and I knew they were talking about me, I'd complain to the highest authority I could. They shouldn't make assumptions like that, it's not fair.
  • big eddie
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brendonism

    Dear reporter,

    I'm posting this to fuck with your head.



    Also: http://www.officialdatingresource.co...e-angles-pics/

    Nice try.

    I tip my hat, good sir


    Last edited by big eddie : 11-Dec-07 at 01:56pm.
  • DJ Fusion
  • Can we stop referring to this two-bit sensationalist hack as a journalist or reporter? I've read better articles in Viz.
  • circular
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by magictorch

    Higher frequencies of strobing, such strip lighting flickering at an almost imperceptible rate, or even certain types of televisions or monitors, are a far greater danger to photosensitive epileptics. I've never heard of lasers triggering seizures - it's possible, but certainly not commonplace.

    yeah, my mate's epileptic ex was fine with strobe lights, but couldn't watch TV in a dark room because it would trigger seizures. I always thought it was because TV is more "flashy" when it's dark ... but then if it's the flashes that do it, then you'd think strobes would do it too.

    it's a puzzle, alright.




    Also, reporter girl - you fail at journalism (and hair).
  • klassik
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by silvaside

    everyone should spam her facebook with invites


    FIXED!!!
  • big eddie
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by circular

    yeah, my mate's epileptic ex was fine with strobe lights, but couldn't watch TV in a dark room because it would trigger seizures. I always thought it was because TV is more "flashy" when it's dark ... but then if it's the flashes that do it, then you'd think strobes would do it too.

    it's a puzzle, alright.




    Also, reporter girl - you fail at journalism (and hair).

    club strobe light would be slower than the 50/60hz oscillation of a tv, else the tv (would always) have a strobing 90s music video effect
  • djbobbit
  • Can people calrify why ITM being quoted in the media is such a big deal and why this outrage is worthy of having so many threads started about it?
  • circular
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by big eddie

    strobing 90s music video effect



    Media Player
  • ImagineMusic
  • Quote:

    Originally Posted by djbobbit

    Can people calrify why ITM being quoted in the media is such a big deal and why this outrage is worthy of having so many threads started about it?


    When will I
    will I be famous?
    I can't answer
    I can't answer that.
    When will I see my picture in the paper?
    I can't answer
    I can't answer that.



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brendonism



    Also: http://www.officialdatingresource.co...e-angles-pics/

    wtf is that
  • sillyclimber
  • I just sent an email to media watch!
  • Pancho
  • silly, silly girl.
  • autumn acid
  • I don't think it's the Journo's fault. It's the newspapers that spin the shit, recruit the journos at a decent salary and corrupt their minds. $10 says the Journo came on here as a music enthusiast, got desperate for a story...
  • Funkedub


  • that poor girl
  • autumn acid
  • Haha, I felt sorry for her too... Working for a lousy paper, reporting lousy stories and then getting her picture put up on intehmix. FAIL
  • ImagineMusic
  • ah i love when the tables turn on wannabe 'journos'
    thread needs more naming and shaming and photochops
    would be good if they where made to eat a piece of (humble) pie at times
    but then again that would be some huge ass pie
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